Unmetered Water Charges – (Figures Prior to Nov 19th)

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1. I tought it suppose to be 240euro per year for 2 adults?

   • Well that €240 was the figure quoted by government ministers – and was supposed to be the average charge per household. They still say that will be tha average charge per household.

2. How did irish water come up with this figure
   Of €139 for two adults in a unmetered
   House, when they don’t know how much
   Water two adults use in a metered house

   • It’s €139 each for water + waste – so a total bill of €278 if you have both.
     They based this on surveys they carried out since meters were installed – they covered 1650 houses and asked how many occupants adults/children and monitored usage for 3 months.

3. You mean €278

   • thanks – typo fixed..

4. Thanks MONEY GUIDE for thorough information on water charges.
   Nevertheless it all looks to me like another (hidden) tax imposed on citizens.
   People have to pay no matter how much water they used? It is like a new “road tax” you need to pay in full, even you use your car once a month to visit your next door granny.
   Thnx…
   Tomasz

5. Will there be discounts for PhD researchers?

   • depends on the PHd 🙂

6. “an annual charge of €424.”
   Where did that figure come from? Wouldn’t it be 278€?

   • 278 but adjusted for no free allowance = 424 . Free allowance not given if no PPS supplied

7. What happens if the metered charge is lower than the assessed charge for the next 9 months.i have 4 adults but two are away as Erasmus students until next june.so I would probably be better off being charged on the meter readings. Also think everyone should be given an allowance not just children

   • a) You should inform Irish Water that 2 adults are no longer present.
     b) If you have ameter – the bill is capped at the assessed charge (it will never be higher than that)
     b) There is a refund scheme which will credit your account with any overpayment – this is calculated after 6 months

8. If you are filling out the form for a holiday home and do not have a PPS number for Ireland, will you be fined?

   • No – the PPS number is not really required for a holiday home because they are not giving any free allowances anyway for holiday homes.

9. I share joint custody of 4 of my children with their dad. However, I do not get any payment for the children…their dad receieves it as he has them an day more than me. If i dont receive any form of payment 4 the kids i doubt very much that I.W wil give me an sort of “allowance” for them. They wont be getting my pps number or that of any of my children. I WONT be paying their estimated bills and I wont be threatened or bullied in to a contract either. NO CONSENT NO CONTRACT and send those application packs back!!!

   • Hi Siobhain, whatever happens, I’d put them all down on your list of occupiers. Irish ater can only get a YES or NO in regard to queries on residents…ie…based on your PPS No. YES, you have four kids and they stay with you. Claim for them all, let Irish Water figure out otherwise, they can’t and they won’t.

10. is the 176 a year or every 3 months, im living in an apartment alone!

    • It’s the annual figure.

11. Hi.
    I have someone stay 5 nights a week. Should I say I’m just on my own in the house or put down 2. This other persons uses toilet/shower etc. if I say it’s just me then my capped Bill will be €176 until 2015? Is that correct? But then I might get a Bill in July 2015 which will be metered & I’ll end up paying the extra then anyway. Is that also correct? Basically should I put down that there is 2 living in the house. A meter has been installed outside my house. Thanks.

    • If your home is their main place of residence then put them down.
      If they have their own home that they only stay in some of the time – they could register that with Irish Water as an unnocupied dwelling. (not in permanent residence)

12. Hi,

    I live in a property (used to be a big house) which has been split into three separate properties (ie apartments)with approx 3 people living in each property. As far as I can see only one meter was installed outside the large house.

    Will this mean that only one bill will come to the large property and the bill is to be split 3 ways OR will each property get a separate bill?

    Also will each property get the annual allowance or just the large house? Thanks.

13. Is there any allowance for oaps ?

    • Brendan – if oaps are in reciept of the household benefits package (free tv licence etc) they will get €25 a quarter . Otherwise no help apart from the household free water allowance that everyone gets.

14. There are 5 in the family but 3 are away at College and dont come home every weekend. Not sure what number to put down on form as if I put down 5 then its 293 euros and if I put down 2 its 139 euros.

    • you are supposedto put them down if it’s their main residence. Another way of looking at it is will they be paying water charges elsewhere? If they are renting they will probably end up with a water bill – so why should you be paying too?

15. Is there any way Irish water can tell the no of occupants in a household? inclusion of 1 pps no gives them details on all people living there?

    • Bill – they are relying on customers to self declare number of occupants. They may do spot checks where usage is obviously high for number of occupants.

      • I take it when the country is 100% covered by meters, the number of adults in a household wont make any difference to bills at that stage

      • There will always be about 200,00 properties without meters (mostly apartments). But – yes…. the charge on metered properties will not be affected by the number of adults. (Apart from their usage of course)

16. is there a way to register online as we have not received the registration letter yet.?

    • The application packs have pin numners and application numbers which you need to register online. You should contact Irish Water – see here for numbers – https://www.moneyguideireland.com/contact-numbers-for-irish-water.html

17. I was under the impression that metered unregistered houses would pay a default tariff of €424 a year however this article says that metered unregistered houses will pay for their usage and simply forgo their free allowance – Is this definitely the case?

    I am awaiting an answer from Irish Water on this but would like to get input from others… If you intend to pay the water charges and live in a house with a large water consumption rate there is simply no benefit from not registering?

    Thanks.

    • As the article states – metered homes that don’r register will be billed for water usage and no free allowances will be given. That is what Irish Water have stated they will do.
      All metered bills are to be capped for 9 months at the unmetered charge – so the most you would pay for the first 3 bills would be 106 (a quarter).
      Unmetered homes that don’t register will be billed €424 a year.(106 oer quarter) All figures ignoring cents.

18. What about those that own a holiday home but are UK residents and have no PPS number. How do they ensure they receive the holiday home rate?

    • There is no free allowance on holiday homes (not permanently occupied homes) – so no PPS should really be needed.

      • The form says you have to supply PPS to avail of the the unoccupied dwelling charge. It states that it is proposed that properties identified as Non-principal private residences (such as holiday homes) will be billed a minimum charge by Irish Water of €125 a year.

      • There is no free allowances on unoccupied dwellings . A PPS number will get you a free allowance on a main home – but I am pretty sure that the absence of a pps on a holiday home will not affect the charge. They should apply the minimum charge .

      • I understand there is no free allowance. Below is the information in the application pack guide:
        Question 11: If there are no people living in the property
        you should apply for the unoccupied dwelling charge. This
        applies, for example, if the property is a holiday home. This
        is a minimum charge for residential properties that are not
        permanently occupied and are connected to public water
        services. To avail of this minimum charge please provide
        your PPS Number.

        So, how do UK residents avail of it if they have no PPSN?

      • I am 99% certain that the absence of a pps number will not affect the water charge on an “unoccupied dweling” . You can verify with Irish Water – but they will probably just repeat what the leaflet says.
        If you still want to try amd get a pps you can contact the Dept Social Protection here- https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/GENENQ.aspx?subject=Client%20Identity%20Services

19. An unmetered household will have their charge increased for each adult they admit to on the form. Will the charge be increased for each child included on the form?

    • No – umnetered charges are not affected by children but if/when you get a meter you need to tell them about children to get the free 21,000 litres per child (pps needed)

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